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  • #7322

    dftweedie
    Participant

    I have a large CD+G collection, including Sound Choice. I am an ‘occasional’ weekend KJ at private events and local restaurants. I rip my CD+Gs on a one to one basis and use them on a single rig. I can prove I own every song on my rig with a physical CD+G backing me up.

    I recently came across Phoenix Entertainment Partners (PEP), owners of Sound Choice and more recently of Chartbuster, “media shift” licensing program information. Basically, if you ‘register’ more than 10 Sound Choice CD+G discs, they want an initial licensing fee of around $100.00 and then monthly fees of $199.00 for a single rig.

    Scared the you know what out of me!

    However, then I saw at the bottom of their page that participants in some legal suit with/ against them are barred from enrolling in the licensing program. Meaning either, I guess, that there may be pending action to disallow this program or that PEP hopes to really put the screws to the other party.

    Then I came across this: http://www.imaginelaw.com/top-myths-about-karaoke-cd-g-users-legal-rights.html

    It appears that this is far from a settled issue.

    How are others here dealing with this issue?

    #7341

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    Hi Dftweedie,

    I think when they state “that participants in some legal suit with/ against them are barred from enrolling in the licensing program” they mean that any KJ/Venue they are currently suing for copyright infringement can’t enroll. That they can’t be protected now by getting licensed, as it’s too late…

    Since they own the copyrights to both the SC and CB catalogs now, they can enforce their media shifting policies legally.

    It’s an odd scenario from my high-level view of things, but I do think it’s all within their legal rights.

    #10947
    echonation
    echonation
    Participant

    Thanks for the article dftweedie . So let me clarify to you from first hand experience here. The only thing SC owns and goes after people for displaying is their trademark (logo). SC does NOT own the rights to the music or anything else beside their trademark. So therefore there is no copyright infringement issue. They send out people to shake down KJs and follow up with the owners of the establishment the KJ does the gig at. Now this is where it gets funny. Saying that they are going to sue for 2 million dollars every time the SC trademark has been displayed. They use the courts as a threat and kind of act like the mafia shaking people down until the establishment gets so scared they settle by paying $10,000-$12,000. So this awesome chick in Texas took the logo out, SC took her to court and lost. Its a trademark issue which ain’t shit. When someone (Kevin Cable )stands up to them they back down, drop the case. Kevin go funded his lawyer fees, go Kev! They have not won a single case and just lost the last appeal they filed. They are greedy bullies who need to treat the people who made them who they are today with respect and appreciation. Word is they are gonna be hit with a class action lawsuit they should quit while they are ahead. I would hate to be around when their karma catches up with them.

    #10950

    dftweedie
    Participant

    Echonation … Thanks for the great update. I’ve been reading more on this on the KJ Scene website. There is a lawyer who posts there that works for or is a principle with Phoenix. He gets trashed a lot, but is certainly a ‘grinder.’ There has been lots of discussion of the nature of the court cases. Anyway, I’m no longer concerned.

    As I understand it, Phoenix sold their SC catalog to Stingray … but that is not the same as rights to the SC trademark. Funny concept that you could own the name to a product trademark and not own the product.

    #13808

    First of all, let me state I am not a lawyer, but I am aquainted with the lawer that works for Phoenix Entertainment. The following is my OPINION only.

    The confusion comes from the fact that karaoke has multiple rights. The most important being the original sound recording. But those sound recordings do have a trademark attached to them, and PEP does have a say in how they are used.

    that being said:

    The $199 fee mentioned is for the right to display the trademarks of the ENTIRE soundchoice catalog of 18,000 tracks.

    Here’s the problem: altho soundchoice is paying fees to the copyright owners of the original music *Sony EMI etc* which would make it legal to copy the tracks, they are NOT paying any fees to STINGRAY who are the current copyright owners of the sound recordings.

    Now I figure the way this is supposed to work, is that soundchoice meant this as a way to use multiple copies of the soundchoice discs that you already own.

    That being said tho, if you are the owner of a signicicant amount of soundchoice discs there are three things you can do
    1. Use the Dics as they were meant to be used,on original cd_g format
    2. Pay for an audit to ensure that you have what they call a 1:1 corrispondance for the mediashifting
    3. Stop Using soundchoice.

    I have dealt with Jim Harrington, Phoenix Entertainment’s principle lawyer and found him to be EXTREMELY accommodating and reasonable.

    Phoenix has frequently waived the audit fee for those who truly couldn’t afford it, but it is on a case by case basic, and you do have to ASK THEM

    hope that clairifies things for some people

    -James

    #15081

    lucassherman
    Participant

    Just in case you have trademarking concern such as the use of logo, tagline and a brand name, you may check this one http://eatmywords.com/tips/is-your-name-lame/, they will also provides you some unique naming suggestions and advice pertaining to license acquisitions.

    #18050

    gsimonsen
    Participant

    Sound Choice is now going after copyright as they have 24 or 25 items that they have copyrighted (although, in my opinion, they don’t own the copyright they are claiming.

    I know that this post is older, I’m just hoping this information gets picked up.

    I’ve been reading about the progress of Sound Choice’s Trademark Cases and see that they are now able to proceed on a Copyright case. A little background that we all probably understand; Sound Choice was losing money on every release because their songs were being ripped to MP3+G and then file shared with anybody who knew how to torrent.
    Now, Sound Choice is pursuing a copyright case against karaoke owners and clubs, well if you listen to the material, you learn that they hold the right on 24 Copyrights. So, I did a little search and here are the 24 Discs and songs you need to delete from your library if you want to win a dismissal of your case and win if Sound Choice is coming after you.
    Please post this information in any other website you want.
    # Name (NALL) < Full Title Copyright Number Date
    [ 1 ]
    Sound Choice. Count my blessings; musical composition / By Jeffrey Bernstein & Shelly Peiken.
    V2482P562 1989
    [ 2 ]
    Sound Choice, Foundation.
    SR0000268719 1996
    [ 3 ]
    Sound Choice 2154 Hits from the movies : vol. 1.
    SR0000228632 1998
    [ 4 ]
    Sound Choice 2155 Male country classics : vol. 1.
    SR0000228633 1998
    [ 5 ]
    Sound Choice 2156 Hits of Anne Murray : vol. 1.
    SR0000228625 1998
    [ 6 ]
    Sound Choice 2157 Hits from Grease : vol. 2.
    SR0000228586 1998
    [ 7 ]
    Sound Choice 2158 Hits of Merle Haggard : vol. 1.
    SR0000228593 1998
    [ 8 ]
    Sound Choice 2159 Hits of Bob Seger & the Silver Bullet Band : vol. 1.
    SR0000228631 1998
    [ 9 ]
    Sound Choice 2160 Hits of Billy Joel : vol. 1.
    SR0000228635 1998
    [ 10 ]
    Sound Choice 2161 Hits of Frank Sinatra : vol. 1.
    SR0000228634 1998
    [ 11 ]
    Sound Choice 2162 Hits of Elton John : vol. 1.
    SR0000228642 1998
    [ 12 ]
    Sound Choice 2163 TV themes : vol. 2.
    SR0000228594 1998
    [ 13 ]
    Sound Choice 2164 Hits of Olivia Newton John : vol. 1.
    SR0000228643 1998
    [ 14 ]
    Sound Choice 2165 Hits of restless heart : vol. 1.
    SR0000228595 1998
    [ 15 ]
    Sound Choice 2166 Hits of Celine Dione : vol. 2.
    SR0000228639 1998
    [ 16 ]
    Sound Choice 2167 Hits of Shania Twain : vol. 2.
    SR0000228641 1998
    [ 17 ]
    Sound Choice 2168 Hits of LeAnn Rimes : vol. 2.
    SR0000228638 1998
    [ 18 ]
    Sound Choice 2169 Hits of Jewel : vol. 1.
    SR0000228640 1998
    [ 19 ]
    Sound Choice 2170 Country angels : vol. 1.
    SR0000228581 1998
    [ 20 ]
    Sound Choice 2171 Hits of Vince Gill : vol. 1.
    SR0000266451 1998
    [ 21 ]
    Sound Choice 2172 Hits of Clint Black : vol. 1.
    SR0000266459 1998
    [ 22 ]
    Sound Choice 2173 Tis the season : vol. 9.
    SR0000187015 1998
    [ 23 ]
    Sound Choice 2175 Hits of Heart : vol. 1.
    SR0000179246 1998
    [ 24 ]
    Sound Choice 3062 Country picks, May 1998 : vol. 1.
    SR0000228630 1998
    [ 25 ]
    Sound Choice 3063 Country picks, May 1998 : vol. 2.
    SR0000228629 1998

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