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  • #12498

    dftweedie
    Participant

    Ryan …I’ve already got Tidal and I like the CD Masters sound quality. I’m not trying to DJ.
    Anyway, I thought the venue paid the licensing fees for public places already.

    I’ll have to check out TOS a little closer.

    #12499
    jocarbo
    jocarbo
    Participant

    Thanks for the reply, bertiepr but we do use that already. What I was referring to was a program timed ‘time-out’ by Karaoki. Often things get hectic for us since our usual setup is with two KDJs and it’s easy for someone to get lost in the shuffle because we lose track of time. If the program could help manage this aspect by actually timing the ‘time-out’/ break’ it would take control of one more thing so we, as KDJs could concentrate on more important issues.

    #12500

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    DftWeedie,

    The venue needs to pay BMI/ASCAP/SESAC, but the content that you’re playing also has to be commercially viable. There are no BMI/ASCAP licenses that will cover services like Tidal in a venue. Tidal would have to come out with a professional tier (Which would likely be a higher price point) specifically designed for commercial use. This is directly from their terms of service agreement:

    “5. RESTRICTIONS APPLICABLE TO THE USE OF THE SERVICE
    The Services shall be for private use only and use of the Services in commercial or public settings is not permitted.”

    Pulselocker was created specifically to fill this niche. This is why it’s being adopted by most of the popular DJ software on the market – they are quickly becoming the industry standard. It’s all 320kbps MP3 and quite honestly through a house/PA system I don’t think you’d notice a quality difference between Pulselocker’s content and tidal’s. You also have an App so you can create playlists on the go from your phone that sync automatically with the player (such as DEX 3, and Karaoki if we add support).

    So it’s clear, the same commercial use legalities apply to Spotify, too – it’s not legal for public performance.

    Bottom line is we will not spend considerable development effort (supporting a streaming service in-app is no easy task from a coding standpoint) to support streaming services that aren’t legal for professional use. We wouldn’t put our customers at risk like that. Pulselocker is the only viable streaming service option right now which is why it’s being considered It’s only $9.99 for streaming only – or $19.99 for offline support (Download as many tracks as you wish for offline playback).

    Jocarbo – that’s an interesting suggestion indeed. However, I’ve never heard of KJs giving a “time out” to singers. Can anyone else chime in, is that normal? To me it sounds like a bar fight in the making but what do I know! My point is if it’s something many would get use out of we would have to consider it.

    Thanks

    #12501
    jocarbo
    jocarbo
    Participant

    Ryan,
    Maybe it is only specific to the venues I subscribe to. They are only at active seniors communities where the clientele are mild mannered, for the most part. I’m not saying some seniors are above a good bar brawl, once in a while, mind you. 😉

    Joe

    #12502

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    Ha ha! I’m sure! Well, it’s in the wishlist so we’ll have to see.Thank you!

    #12503

    dftweedie
    Participant

    Ryan …

    Thanks for your full explanation.

    #12713

    PaulChar
    Participant

    Hi Guys

    As a long time user of PCDJ Karaoki I have made this request on your wish list before but it seems to have fallen on deaf ears. No offence meant guys you probably have lots of coding to do but I think this one is an easy add on as the software already has the capability to play almost any video format.
    As a host I run one screen for my performers and a 40 inch screen for the audience so as they can sing along with the performers if they wish, as such I often run music videos between songs but I have to switch between the hosting software and a video player. I think it would be a nice touch to be able to play videos in the background music side of the app.It would save a lot of work during shows and I reckon it would add a bit more of a professional flair to the software.

    Thanks for listening guys.

    #12719

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    Hi Paul, native video support definitely HAS NOT fallen on deaf ears. It is however much more difficult than you assume.

    For native ability to play video files Karaoki requires a completely new A/V playback engine. That alone is a ginormous job, but it also means most features that are built on top of the A/V engine would either need to be re-written or massively tweaked to support the new A/V engine (think of the playback engine as the foundation, with all other features as “brick layers” on top).

    With that said we can play videos now in the Karaoke deck, but only if you have the proper video codecs installed. Codecs are very finicky things as well, so finding the right combination of codecs, graphics card/drivers and file format can be a real pain for some users. Others install one codec pack and they’re done, everything works…

    What we don’t want to do is create a feature where you can play videos with the background music player, but only if you have the proper codec installed (since in some cases, albeit not all that often, users can get any of the codec packs to work). Thus we are working (between other coding efforts) on our own video engine for Karaoki. Once Karaoki has native support for video files adding the ability to play videos using the BGM would be relatively easy.

    Do not expect this very soon however. We’re still working on the current engine and a new update that we hope to post soon. But as I noted, this is definitely something we think about and discuss often – you’re one of many requesting this as well.

    Thanks

    #12731

    Meep70
    Participant

    This is a long shot but an interesting idea that I have had for a long time. What about adding support for a third monitor?

    Monitor one is obviously the one the KJ interacts with.

    Monitor two is the one the singer sees on the stage and can be mirrored for the audience to see the lyrics, as well.

    Monitor three has the upcoming singers always visible (like what is between songs on the singer screen, now), so the audience can see who is coming up next, and the scrolling message could be used for drink specials, announcements and such.

    #12734

    bertiepr
    Blocked

    AWESOME !!! 100% agree with the third monitor idea.

    #12743

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    I think the issue with this would be a technical challenge – IE, how to connect the third monitor, for example. KJs typically run to an HDMI slitter to get more than one screen with lyrics (so you could point one at the audience). Doing that wouldn’t allow for a totally separate output for a third screen (but it would be a mirror of screen 2).

    Still, it’s a great idea and something we’ve thought about (and may be technically possible and I simply don’t know enought about this!) KaraoQ (once it’s friggen available!) will support a “rotation screen” where everyone can see their place in rotation. But you’d have to use Karaoki in conjunction with it and I’m not 100% sure how it is going to specifically work.

    #12745

    Lew916
    Participant

    Question I’ve asked before what’s wrong with putting a rolling message at bottom of the lyrics screen like other software does? For the upcoming singers with the current song they are singing. That’s one of two things you don’t have, the other is type as you search.

    #12746

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    Lew916, there’s nothing wrong with that at all, and we’ve been planning to add the ‘singer scroll’ for some time – much of the work is already done. We’ve had our hands full with the KaraoQ integration for much of the last year (and our SaaS version that will launch soon!) so there’s a bunch of projects that are somewhat/halfway completed we hope to get to soon.

    #12788

    Kevspilly
    Participant

    It would be nice to to have an auto volume / gain so that all tracks play at the same volume.

    #12790
    jpmichel
    jpmichel
    Participant

    That would not be “nice”, that would be ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!!

    As it is no with the ridiculous variations in karaoke tracks volumes, having to readjust volumes every track is super annoying!

    #12832

    Jezza
    Participant

    It’s great you’ve brought this up. Recently I loaded a new track and didn’t realise the volume had gone up for the song from where I was performing until I saw listeners blocking their ears. I hope this can be fixed. All songs should be normalised volume wise if possible.

    #13219

    dftweedie
    Participant

    I would like to be able to right click/ context menu in any list (search, singer or case) and load the song. I find that frequently when I drag from the search list the title in the player will not actually reflect the song, i.e., mismatch.

    Being able to load the selected song in the list from the context menu would be a great help.

    #13548

    bertiepr
    Blocked

    Please allow to START and STOP the Auto Karaoke from the main screen or add a shortcut to do that. Thanks!

    #13549

    bertiepr
    Blocked

    Please, allow to START and STOP the Auto Karaoke from the main screen or add a shortcut to do that. Thanks!

    #13796

    I have two requests, one isn’t exactly a software feature, but I still think it could benefit the greener people like myself.

    First and formost, I would like a more detailed updated user manual that explains every feature in detailed, step by step instructions WITH real life examples.

    2. This may already be a feature that I haven’t been able to figure out, but it would be nice to customize all the text sizes, so that Karaoki would be easier to use with a touch screen/laptop.

    I call this ‘fat finger syndrome” *ie it’s darn near impossible to selct anything cause my fingers are too wide and i’m always loosing the stylus I used to use*

    #13797

    “I think the issue with this would be a technical challenge – IE, how to connect the third monitor, for example. KJs typically run to an HDMI slitter to get more than one screen with lyrics (so you could point one at the audience). Doing that wouldn’t allow for a totally separate output for a third screen (but it would be a mirror of screen 2).
    Still, it’s a great idea and something we’ve thought about (and may be technically possible and I simply don’t know enought about this!) KaraoQ (once it’s friggen available!) will support a “rotation screen” where everyone can see their place in rotation. But you’d have to use Karaoki in conjunction with it and I’m not 100% sure how it is going to specifically work. ”

    What about as a temporary compromise a split screen sort of deal? The first 3/4 of the screen could be the lyrics, and the rest of the space could be used for this info, with the option to turn it off if the host prefers to have lyrics only. That way you’d still only need two displays, which could be mirrored via splitter or however they wanted to do it.

    #13800

    For the person that asked for normalization of all karaoke files so that they all play at the same level. This would indeed be an awesome feature that I would use.

    In the meantime, you can use an audio tool called Breakaway that does EXACTLY this. Awesome little program, easily affordable and since the anniversary update of Windows 10 has worked flawlessly for me.

    -James

    #13803

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    Thanks James! Good stuff. You can increase text size for the browser under options -> text size.

    #13832

    Ok there probably isn’t anything the PCDJ team can do about it since karaoke version doesn’t have any kind of store API to sell downloads directly thru a program, But a link taking you to the site might be nice.

    I was going to say remote control of the basic functions of karaoke thru OSC like my digital mixer is but now that I think about it, I think this is possible with a DJ/midi controller

    -James

    #13833

    Almost forgot. I know you have plans to put more karaoke related features into DEX 3, which is good but for those that would prefer to use both, since you are going away from the ‘plug-in’ model of doing things, it might be nice to have a button in karaoki that would switch the second screen output from karaoke to the video output of Dex and vice-versa

    #13836

    Ok something else I forgot about. Regarding a third display screen. Something you could do is set up a mini http server so that this info could be displayed in any browser, and do a real time countdown of the current song, average wait time of each singer. You could also have it set up so that It displays photos of your singers, so there is absolutely no confusion about who is singing next. Then the browser would autoupdate/refresh every x number of seconds

    You simply set up a separate computer to run the browser, drag it to the second display and then make it go full screen. This can then be mirred/split to as many displays as you need
    This is all part of the software I am currently using, but replacing with Karaoki soon. Here is a link to a photo of how it looks.

    let me know if the link doesn’t work
    Rotation Picture

    #13837

    dftweedie
    Participant

    Link selected (highlighted) singer in rotation list with same singer selected in singer window list.

    It would be nice to be able to highlight a singer in the rotation list and then when you click to open the singer window they are already selected (with their song data showing).

    There is possibly some reason why this might interfere with some other function … but I can’t see it.

    Also, in the rotation panel, I wish the panel wouldn’t scroll to the right on click on a singer. It would be better if you only dragged it when you wanted to see more. I find it frustrating that frequently it inadvertently scrolls and I can no longer see the singers’ names.

    #13855

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    Thanks fella’s!
    James, Karaoki already has the Karaoke Cloud Store built in (and prior to that the Karaoke Locker store) for on-the-fly purchase/download of songs. In EU, users have access to the massive Select-A-Track store (about 120,000 songs for sale) – but that store isn’t legal for US purchasers.

    We will have “karaoke.net” built into Karaoki at some point as well. Karaoki was the first karaoke software with an in-app store – which was “karaoke locker” at the time, released about 7 years ago. Due to distribution restrictions and new laws it became impossible for us to maintain the karaoke locker store anymore – opting for the karaoke cloud store and select a track.

    You will not have a toggle button in DEX 3 or Karaoki to toggle screen 2. Why? You should NEVER run two pro audio application’s at the same time during an event – too many things could go wrong, including a power struggle over resources. We wouldn’t support that type of functionality with that in mind.

    With the KaraoQ integration you will have the option for a third ‘rotation screen’ so everyone can view where they are in rotation, including if someone is bumped or manually re-ordered. We’re not sure if we’ll add something directly to Karaoki like this in the future.

    #13857

    Thanks Ryan. After further reflection, there doesn’t need to be a button even if what you said wasn’t an issue. All i’d have to do it put the third party video display first, put karaoki over it and hit the minimize button.

    But what would be nice is actual support for the playing of discs,instead of just having a ‘rotation place holder’ by entering in the artist and title data, and having to use an external cdg player, or a third party piece of software to play discs on the computer. in this neck of the woods, people still bring in their own discs.

    i’d say the same for being able to play from a thumb drive, except that brings up the whole virus/contamination/are the files from a legal source issue.

    But hey, worse comes to worse, at least having a karaoke player means i’ll have a backup system if everything else dies on me. *lol*

    -James

    #13865

    just found out that there isn’t any way to export cases from a certain date, which might be useful to use with the ‘new tracks’ feature of songbookdb. There is a way to do it within pal directly, but as I found out, if you do it that way then those tracks will not work with the PCDJ plugin.

    Also I could have sworn this was already a feature, but I can’t find any way to export the singer and song history to a file.

    -James

    #13866
    jocarbo
    jocarbo
    Participant

    James,

    Don’t know about your first part of your post but for the second part, open the Singer Data window, right click on the singer’s name whose list you want to export and the options to print, save to file, etc. are there.

    #13885

    Thanks for that. Actually in regards to sonbookdb, it would still work because it will disregard all the ‘old’ songs as duplicates and just import the new songs. And if I wanted to print update books, I can use different software for that.

    #13973

    Meep70
    Participant

    What about making the right-click menu for the Singer Data screen have more of the things that the Singer Rotation panel has?

    For example, when looking at the Singer Data screen, it could be handy to Move a singer to the top or bottom, or up or down one. Maybe more.

    Likewise, the Singer Rotation right-click menu could include On Break, and Key+/- options.

    Thanks for always listening!

    #13975

    dftweedie
    Participant
    #13976

    dftweedie
    Participant

    Regarding the context/ right click menu … I think anywhere a song was listed, i.e., ‘search,’ Singer’s Data, Singer’s Rotation, etc., there should be menu items to Edit and to Load the song.

    I frequently have difficulty in the search menu dragging a song to the player. Often, the song immediately before in the list will end up playing and sometimes the name of the correct song will display, but the preceding song in the list is the one that plays. Having a context menu ‘Load’ would presumably solve this. As far as Edit goes, it is a pain to only be able to edit from the case list.

    #14109

    Not sure how difficult it would be, maybe too much to bother, but just throw it out there. An ‘estimated wait time’ for the singers based on what’s playing, and the songs qued in the current rotation. On a similar vain, the ability to associate a picture with the saved singer’s history. I figure it could be one way from people trying to ‘scam’ the rotation by using different names.

    just a thought

    -James

    #14182

    blaircarriere
    Participant

    In the Top Right “Singing Queue” Can we have an option to remove “Case” or better yet an option to choose what columns to be shown like: “DiskID” instead of “Case”.
    It makes no sense in my setup as I have 1 Case: “Karaoke”. However I have the “Brand” (Sound Choice, Chartbuster, etc.) under “DiskID”. It would be cool to know which version the Singer has in the queue when they ask.

    #14194

    dftweedie
    Participant

    @blaircarriere “In the Top Right “Singing Queue” Can we have an option to remove “Case” or better yet an option to choose what columns to be shown like: “DiskID” instead of “Case”.

    Ditto, ditto, ditto!

    I just went though this the other night searching for a way to customized that screen and was surprised there didn’t seem to be anyway to do it.

    I often feel like there is a ‘thing by thing’ approach to feature requests instead of an overall improve the design. Specifically in this case, why can you select columns in some windows, but not others?

    #14214

    to the people requested the remove case. This feature already exists. All you have to do it right click in the search window and there is a ‘hide/show colums’ option, which will allow you to remove the display of the case. What might be nice is the ability to display the ‘year’as a column.

    #14215

    dftweedie
    Participant

    @emptyorchestra … The request was for the singer rotation window, not the search window.

    #15010

    colorbar
    Participant

    I need to be able to use the danish letters (æøå ÆØÅ) for our danish songs , when the songlist file for DBsongbook is created the program removes the letters and that makes it a problem to search for

    #15029

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    colorbar, please contact SongbookDB directly about this request – you can reach them at support@songbookdb.com

    #15363

    Hey Ryan, hope you are well. I know coding, debugging etc takes forever but its been a few months, so i thought i’d ask. Any progress on integrating karaoke.net into the karaoki store? I’m hoping for early 2018, but i won’t hold my breath lol

    thanks

    #15394

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    Right now the focus is 100% on releasing a patch to update the last public beta with fixes for the BGM and a couple other items. Some preliminary work has been done for karaoke.net (and really that implementation as a whole shouldn’t be too time consuming as PT has built a functional API for us to work with). I think right around the end of 2017 is a real possibility.

    #15521

    cecsystems
    Participant

    I second that! Having the ability to print the individual singers lists and history…

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 11 months ago by  cecsystems.
    #15754

    Meep70
    Participant

    Here’s an idea that could be pretty handy on a busy night, especially if it is a crowd of singers who are on the stage quickly—sometimes even before the outro from the last karaoke song has finished.

    Currently, I can click the fade out button, then the BGM fades in before I can get the next singer’s song loaded. A little awkward, right?

    What if, when you hit the “Load Next Singer” button while a karaoke track is playing, Karaoki asked “Are you sure?” Clicking yes would fade in the next karaoke track rather than the BGM, smoothly transitioning to the next singer already on the stage. This would also be handy on songs that have a long intro, so the next song (the one with the long intro) can be started before the singer gets to the stage.

    Of course, clicking no would allow the currently playing track to continue unmolested.

    For the sake of safety, it would probably be a good idea to make this feature only work a minute or so into a track, to avoid accidentally skipping a singer with an inadvertent mouse button bounce.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 10 months ago by  Meep70. Reason: clarification
    #16947

    tauruskaraoke
    Participant

    Songbookdb
    When a singer requests a song using the Songbookdb app remotely, there is a field for additional singers in the app. When Karaoki receives the request, it will append that additional singer into the singer data field for the rotation thereby creating a new singer (and new singer history). Instead, create an additional field/note for additional singers & tie it to the person who requested the song which would save it into their singer data/history. The reason I ask for this is I have singers who will pair up with multiple other singers and it causes Karaoki to unfairly stack them in the rotation hogging up slots and additionally doesn’t show that song choice in their history data.

    EXAMPLE: Tammy wants to sing a duet with Steve. Tammy remotely requests a song through the Songbookdb app and submits it with Steve in the “additional Singer” field. Karaoki receives the request and now Karaoki creates a NEW singer called “Tammy with Steve” and is not tied to Tammy in the rotation OR to Tammy’s singer History. So basically Tammy could actually hog the singer rotation by adding someone else to sing with her for EVERY song and become a new singer EVERY time she puts a song in. Even though I have the software put new singers at the bottom of the rotation, if Tammy puts in multiple songs with additional different singers, she will hog up multiple slots in the rotation instead of one as it should be. It could even be worse if the entire room figures out this loophole.

    I realize this my not happen as much with most KJs but if you have a group of regulars who like to sing with each other a lot, it can become a nightmare once they figure out this loophole/behavior.

    #16981

    SherylT
    Participant

    I heard “rumblings” that we’d be able to insert a singer’s CDG and run through Karaoki soon. Any time frame on when that feature may be available?

    Sheryl

    #16986

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    Sheryl, that is not the case, nor will it be. We do not intend on supporting direct CDG playback for a few reasons (one major one is not all CDROM drives support it). You can hardly purchase CDG discs anymore these days, at least not in the USA. I know some singers bring their discs in, but you’ll just have to rip those on the fly and drop them into Karaoki to playback if you don’t already have the song.

    #17142

    dftweedie
    Participant

    I may have suggested/ requested this before (and maybe you can already do it … but I don’g know how).

    Please, please, please make it possible to both delete a song from the case and edit a song from the Search window results!

    I often find song name errors or dups I don’t want in Search Results. It would be so convenient to just deal with them there. It is awkward and inconvenient to then have to chase it down in the Cases view or near impossible to decide which versions to later delete if one can’t see them side by side.

    Thanks.

    #17145

    tauruskaraoke
    Participant

    I’ll second that suggestion of dftweedie. This would be tremendously helpful.

    #17147
    jpmichel
    jpmichel
    Participant

    A big huge THIRD on that one!

    This would make life SO MUCH easier… and PLEASE add a way to add a comment to the file! So I can FINALLY tag those crappy tracks and make sure I know which are the good ones!

    #17356

    dftweedie
    Participant

    Ryan … I wish you’d weigh in on whether it would be possible to navigate and make changes from the search results … even if it is something difficult and for the future.

    In addition I’d like to be able directly from the search results window either browse to the files within Explorer or alternatively actually delete them from the hard drive … not just remove them from the case.

    #25188
    jpmichel
    jpmichel
    Participant

    Guys, is there any progress or updates on Karaoki at all?
    I haven’t heard anything new in a while and just wondering whether Karaoki is still being supported/developed..

    #25190

    Luis
    Participant

    A patch to fix a patch… one bug solved and two new created… This is the never ending story…
    MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR to all! 2019 comes with a new “patch” to “upgrade” the beta.

    • This reply was modified 11 months, 1 week ago by  Luis.
    • This reply was modified 11 months, 1 week ago by  Luis.
    #25194

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    The programmer for Karaoki, Alan, who was with PCDJ prior to the acquisition purchase by Digital 1 Audio in 2008, has been dealing with a very sick mother for a few months. Unfortunately, she just passed away last week. Over the last few months he’s been with her at the hospice much of the time, and running her around to various doctors. He has been working on Karaoki when possible, and we did release this maintenance release a few weeks ago – here:

    Karaoki is developed separately from the rest of our lineup, as you all likely know. Once things return to a ‘state of normality’ for Alan he will be able to spend more time coding.

    I still wouldn’t expect much in the way of new features for some time. You do have options, like the DEX 3 upgrade offer we just issued. We have had a lot of Karaoki users purchase DEX 3, mainly due to native support for all video file formats (and now that it has singer rotation, singer/song history, key control, filler music player, etc). Regardless, Karaoki continues to be very popular for us, and with a few tweaks etc I’m sure it will endure.

    Karaoki is and will continue to be supported. It has a rich feature set right now that’s highly competitive in the marketplace, although development has been slower than anyone, Alan included, would like.

    #25195

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    You guys should also consider joining our Facebook User Group if you haven’t already — much more activity and customer interaction there compared to the forums. Here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/208451843303338/317500625731792/

    #25196
    jpmichel
    jpmichel
    Participant

    Hi Ryan,

    Please give our deepest condolences to Alan. We all understand completely, I’m sure. Hope he is ok and he has the support and love of all the people who thank him every day for using one of the best pieces of Karaoke software in town.

    #25197

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    Thank you, and I will. I’m pretty sure Alan’s also subscribed to this thread so he should see an email notification and view your condolences.

    #25198
    jocarbo
    jocarbo
    Participant

    Condolences to Alan and the entire Wood family for the loss. Living in a seniors community it is , sad to say, an almost weekly occurrence for us to lose someone close so I can definitely commiserate with his sorrow. For Ryan, I’ve tried Dex3 and found the Karaoke aspect of it , in my case, too cumbersome to use. I was constantly battling with “how do I do this” and “how do I do that”. Changing and maintaining “pitch” was particularly awkward for me. An outstanding product, none the less with lots of bells & whistles and bang for the buck. Thanks for the update Ryan.

    #25199

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    It’s been a tough go for Alan, for sure.

    Thanks for the DEX 3 feedback! However, I think if you watch these tutorials however, it’s really easy to use DEX 3 for karaoke. Now that the automatic filler music player is included, you only have to concern yourself with ‘one deck’ for karaoke (leave the crossfader to the right, deck A side) – and use load singer to load/play from rotation (and maintain rotation). There is even a new skin built in for karaoke-only use (LYRX skin). It’s come a long way in the last 8 months for karaoke: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYCb1_l2bbb5tcLGCnrssLM9cf_RxGIQD

    #25226
    jocarbo
    jocarbo
    Participant

    I’d like the capability of maintaining the column widths in the Singer Data Window rather than it reverting back to it’s default when Karaoki is closed down and reopened.

    #25391

    dftweedie
    Participant

    I hope life for our developer has improved … TBH I get nervous about the encouragements to try the DEX karaoke player.

    Anyway, a couple of feature suggestions that may be listened to?

    First, you should be able to ‘click’ on a singer in the rotation and then have the “SINGERS” page open (whether it is closed or in the background) to that same singers song list page.

    Second, when you do a search and one of the results comes up highlighted, you should be able to load it directly without having to click on the entry to highlight it a second time.

    Third, you shouldn’t keep having to re-alphabetize the songs in the SINGERS list. I find that clicking “SONG” to alphabetize the list doesn’t hold and also when songs are added they show up at the ende of the list in non-alphabetical order. They should sit in the order of however you have set up the SINGER page.

    Finally, you should be able to delete a song out of the program from the SINGER and SEARCH pages. Every once in awhile you get a bad track and there is no easy way to make sure it is deleted in the manner that you can do when you sort the cases.

    DF

    #25392

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    Good suggestions. Curious about this one though:

    “First, you should be able to ‘click’ on a singer in the rotation and then have the “SINGERS” page open (whether it is closed or in the background) to that same singers song list page.”

    When you double-click a singer in rotation it beings up their own singer screen with their songs (what’s in their queue now, and all their history). Is that what you’re asking for? Make sure you’re using the “fixed” rotation mode.

    #25393

    dftweedie
    Participant

    As Blake Shelton would say: ‘som’ be-ee-hacch.’

    I was in ‘fixed’ and I thought I’d tried this before … but obviously not.

    Thanks, Ryan. This solves one of my biggest frustrations with karaoki.

    DF

    #25394

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    Haha! Glad I could be of some assistance 🙂

    #25676

    LoneRider191
    Participant

    Features I have used before (on other Karaoke programs) and that I would especially use in my “Solo Artist” shows:
    1. Shortcut keys (I recommend using function keys to avoid having to use “CTRL” or “Shift” with another key) to raise, lower volume (so, for example, F3 to lower, F4 to increase).
    2. Ditto #1 for tempo (use, say, F5 for slower, F6 for faster).
    3. Allow tempo to be saved with a song in a show.
    4. Allow a program option to set the “Fadeout” time to between, say, 4 and 10 seconds. Currently, it fades in about 3 seconds and I’d like to set it to something between 5 and 8 seconds instead. Three seconds is very nearly the same as just hitting “STOP”.
    5. Provide track length by song along with total song list time duration. Makes it much easier to create a show list and, especially, to set up an unattended songlist for pre-show DJ play.
    6. Provide a song wave form (graphical) display. Would help in quickly setting proper volume, even before the music starts.

    Comment: With regard to using shortcut keys… in addition to feeling more professional, for my “One Man Show” work (which is what I do the most of), it’s much less distracting when I’m performing and maintaining eye contact with the audience to be able to quickly stab a key to, say, change volume, rather than to grab a mouse or access a touch screen, find the spot on the screen and then drag the volume to the proper level. Further, a few songs require more than one change of volume due to over loud passages… so it can’t just be set at (or near) the beginning of the track.

    Also, I’m relatively new to Karaoki so if I’ve asked for something that’s already there, I apologize… I’ll just search the details of the program with more vigor. I’d appreciate getting a response on anything that is already available.

    Thanks!

    #25677
    jpmichel
    jpmichel
    Participant

    I’ve been using Karaoki for well over 5 years, and I don’t believe any of these ideas are currently implemented.

    I have also previously requested:
    5. Track and Playlist length
    6. Track waveform

    I also second points 1,2 &3. They would definitely add value to the software without a doubt.

    #25678

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    Here are the existing Karaoki shortcut keys — you may find them useful: https://www.pcdj.com/karaoke-software-karaoki-keyboard-shortcuts/

    Some of the features you suggested are already found in our DEX 3 software (and a few in LYRX), but I can see how they would be useful (although not sure how waveforms would help a KJ?). Good stuff, nonetheless!

    #25679

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    BTW, waveforms don’t typically assist with knowing volume levels – but VU meters will. it does sound like some of your requests are very “DJ centric” – and that’s not where we are trying to go with Karaoki. Playing playlists, total time count, etc – useful for an all-in-one live performance solution like our DEX 3 product but may be a bit overkill for our karaoke-specific product. Who knows though!

    #25680
    jpmichel
    jpmichel
    Participant

    Hi Ryan,

    Just to clarify, yes the waveform is useful, because it shows where a track will actually start, since the auto fucntion doesn’t always cut it since a LOT of tracks have sound specs/noises before the actual track begins, which tricks the software into thinking the song’s already started. This means the BG music goes off and then there is dead silence for a few seconds until track starts.
    In addition, it also helps a more advanced KJ know when to start a fade-out without it sounding too awkward.

    Regarding the track length, I have to strongly disagree here. I’ve been asking for the track and playlist times for a LONG TIME now, because of multiple reasons:
    1. Knowing the track length before it starts obviously lets us know how long the track is, and since there’s no way I will know how long every one of my 35,000 tracks is by heart, this becomes very useful during busy nights when nobody wants to sit through a 7-12 minute track by Meat Loaf or Queen.
    2. Apart from that obvious and very sufficient reason all on its own, it also helps organize tracks in a way that doesn’t leave people bored with too many long tracks in a row.
    3. It helps to know whether a new track will go over my allotted time for a gig, or before a break when another entertainer is supposed to begin.
    4. Knowing the duration of each track helps me give singers a more accurate timeline of when they would be up next.
    5. For the total playlist duration, this is crucial to know how many songs I’ll be able to take-on before i’m full-up for the night.
    6. Also for total playlist duration, when you have a gig that’s not too full/busy, this helps you know what the total karaoke track playtime is so you know how much time you need to fill with background music between karaoke tracks so you dono’t end up with a karaoke-less gap that you have no singers/tracks to fill, which looks really bad in a gig.

    I think every one of these reasons is valid enough to add these 2 features, and that these 2 features would be incredibly useful and a much needed upgrade. Also, none of these reasons are in any way DJ-centric..

    #25681

    dftweedie
    Participant

    I’d like to chime in that I really like the idea of moving the shortcuts to the function keys … given that there are only 12 (Cntrl+lower case alpha) short cuts anyway, this shouldn’t be an issue.

    I’d also like to ask again for log scale with 0 dB marker on the two volume sliders. It is an unnecessary hassle to have to readjust them each gig to the mixer gains. This is especially true for the BGM.

    Finally, and most importantly, what is the status of the developer starting to work on the program again?

    I must admit that it makes me nervous when you mention that Dex3 has this or that feature for karaoke that is lacking in Karaoki.

    DF

    #25682
    jpmichel
    jpmichel
    Participant

    I agree with dftweedie here. I am a Karaoke DJ. I purchased Karaoki because it is dedicated karaoke software. I have my own DJ software that I use for DJ gigs. Dex having a certain feature or not really doesn’t make a difference since I use Karaoki for KJ gigs and want that feature on Karaoki… not Dex.

    #25683

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    My Mistake: Track Length/playlist time for Karaoke (rotation list) is certainly a good ‘add’ – when I suggested it wasn’t, I was referring (incorrectly) to the Background Music (filler) player/BGM cases. I agree it would be helpful for karaoke specific purposes. Sometimes I simply read too quickly to properly digest — wearing too many hats at times can do that to ya!

    Function keys instead of the existing shortcut method may prove problematic. I can’t recall off the top of my head, but there was a reason we required “CTRL” to be pressed first. I’ll have to run that one by Alan.

    A 0db level and ‘automatic gain control’ would also be welcomed additions, agreed.

    Alan is back at it again and working on updates/improvements. Some may not want to hear it, due to the inconsistent history of the relationship, but we are still working on KaraoQ integration as well. When that is released there will be more time for more of the core stuff you all want to see.

    DEX 3 and LYRX etc are all developed separately by a different team here – so their development cycles do not impact Karaoki’s development.

    #25927

    dftweedie
    Participant

    November 24, 20017: last build.

    I am wishing Karaoki didn’t feel like an ‘end of life’ program.

    I am wishing … regardless of how long it would take to accomplish the tasks … that there was a ‘road map’ of development with features prioritized as to what comes next.

    I realize this is probably a small market and not something a developer can make a living off by itself … but there is no reason that there couldn’t be at least a monthly newsletter to let us know how things are going.

    DF

    #25929

    Lew916
    Participant

    To lonerider’s191 comment: Hmm I thought it was just me over the years. I found that I delete the case (after about 60 songs marked bad) and recreate it. The songs that were marked bad will play again. It will randomly pick other songs to mark bad. I use this software for informal Karaoke party’s. Wouldn’t consider it professionally. I like the fact that PCDJ is song oriented I can look up a song and throw it in the player without creating a user if I want. Replay and even go to a certain part of song. The other software is user oriented if something happens you have to go look up song again. Move them back to top and so on. All karaoke software has some sort of problems because it is Murphy’s workshop.

    #25938

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    The last update was September 2018, not 2017 – here: https://www.pcdj.com/karaoke-software-download-karaoki-beta-0-8-6836/

    Karaoki is developed by one individual, unlike our DEX 3/LYRX products. Thus, things take time, and he’s been dealing with personal matters and a tough work schedule (he configured machinery for large factories, etc). We were supposed to see an update this week so I’ll check in with Alan Wood, the developer, now.

    Offering updates publicly on internal development cycles will not happen, however. I don’t know of anyone in this highly competitive and niche space that does that. You never want to show your hand publicly as the competition is always ‘watching’. Karaoki will be updated, but development cycles are slow. The other big thing is working with KaraoQ for KaraoQ360 – which has taken a lot more development effort and time than anyone wanted when we went down that path. It will be cool, but it has slowed development of the stand-alone iteration of Karaoki.

    LYRX is another option – and has features that mirror Karaoki. It also has native support for all video files etc. Just another option at only $39.95 right now.

    Regardless, Karaoki will be improved, and he’s been able to spend a lot more time coding it lately than the last few months.

    I will try to update you all very soon here!

    #25939

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    BTW, I will not allow posts on our website about that ‘other product’ by Latshaw – we don’t exactly have an amiable history with that company or the person who runs it. Thus, the removal of “lonerider’s” post. If people don’t think that karaoke application has issues, just browse any one of the popular karaoke user groups on Facebook. Loads of public complaints, but I digress…

    #25940

    dftweedie
    Participant

    Ryan, I apologize for misrepresenting the date. I took it from the ‘New Beta’ post in this forum.

    If one reads through this post it appears that the consensus of users is that these predominantly have been ‘bug fixes,’ not ‘updates.’

    I ask for a ‘road map’ of things from this wish list that the developer agrees are worth implementing. I cannot see how this is any ‘trade secret’ that will give competitors an advantage. Most of these items are simple (at least conceptually) things to improve the user experience. I am not asking for a schedule of implementation. This is my opinion anyway. I am not in control of this process and I do not wish to be disputatious. But I do think it is an unreasonable request and I simply want to make clear what it is I am asking for,

    As far as karaoQ goes, I hope the issues are shortly resolved. Were my opinion sought I would have much preferred delaying that and having had focus on basic program enhancements.

    DF

    As I said, I understand that this is a small enterprise and a ‘part-time’ job for the developer and that he has had personal issues negatively affecting his participation.

    I love this program and prefer it to all others I’ve had a go at. I just want it to fulfill its promise.

    #25942

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    Thanks for your input. It is appreciated. The next update won’t have a lot of ‘new’, but will have a couple things – as well as a updated skin that’s a little more ‘modern’.

    We’re a small team of 4 (plus development), and I do much of the day-to-day heavy lifting – including all blog posts, newsletters, managing the user group, overseeing development, sales, all marketing (including ad design and creation), our website, graphic design, and distribution and high-level support. As such, adding a newsletter that explains our development cycles (aka road map) simply isn’t a big priority for me at the moment. It’s also something that can ‘backfire’ and cause more work for myself that I just don’t have time for right now (as if there are delays, and they are ALWAYS delays, I will be inundated with “where’s this feature? You said it was coming soon in last months update/newsletter” – and then I have to explain the delay, and so on).

    I’m really busy on the DEX 3 and LYRX side lately, with SoundCloud support coming out in a week or so I’ll be even more in the weeds. That side of things is progressing very quickly right now.

    I should have a more official Karaoki update to post by tomorrow. Once the KaraoQ cycle is completed (and we are under an agreement to get the integration to market, thus why it’s been prioritized) Alan will have more time for Karaoki and this wishlist.

    #25943

    Meep70
    Participant

    Karaoki is fantastic and incrementally better as time goes on, which is something I have always been grateful for, and I feel that the money I spent on a license was money well spent. I have always appreciated the great service and have enjoyed being a part of the testing process. As much as I love Karaoki, and have enjoyed beta testing, I am no longer using it. It has been a fantastic run and I am still following development because I want to see what it goes and I still recommend it when it is the appropriate solution for someone who asks–and people do ask.

    The real issue for me wasn’t any of the things that get complained about here on the forum. Karaoki fulfilled all my needs day-to-day, but I have long wanted to cut all ties with Microsoft and Apple. Several months ago I found something that works beautifully in Linux. The program I am using works identically in MacOS, Windows, and Linux. Since I don’t think it is classy or good business to ever advertise the name of a competing software package in a forum like this, I will not share the name. Creative types will find that a search with simple terms should lead you to a professional open source karaoke solution.

    Meanwhile, thanks for a GREAT run, and keep up the good work. I am watching with anticipation.

    #25944

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    I know the product, and Issac is doing a good job with it. I’d say LYRX is closer to it than Karaoki. I understand it has it’s own ‘quirks’ and isn’t a native video player (like LYRX/DEX 3), and being ‘open source’ also has it’s own drawbacks, but he’s certainly made it competitive. I keep and ear to the ground, and frequent all the popular karaoke user groups on FB 😉

    We’ll gladly keep you posted. Right now, LYRX is our most popular and top selling karaoke show hosting product. I believe it’s mainly due to cross-platform support (we could indeed create a Linux version at any point, but we just aren’t sure if supporting it would be worth-while (change my mind? lol)) for MAC and Windows, native video support for all formats (no codecs), the Party Tyme subscription that’s baked in, and the new karaoke.net store for on-the-fly purchases. Some of this would be welcomed additions to Karaoki, of course.

    #25945

    Meep70
    Participant

    Isaac is indeed doing a grand job with his project and he is, like you have been, great to work with and talk to.

    Though I never used the subscription services in Karaoki other than while briefly testing KaraoQ a while back, it is one of the features that was nice to have as a backup. If my music hard drive fails, (My OS is on a separate drive), I knew I could quickly enable a subscription service and at least still have a show. It is certainly a feature that I don’t have with my current solution. I always have a backup plan with me, just in case, but multiple methods are survival insurance for those of us who make our living with the tools that you provide.

    I need to play with LYRX and probably purchase a license. Now that it is Windows/Mac (I still dual-boot occasionally). I know a few users who would do well to look into it, and I always enjoy playing with new software. A convergence of LYRX and Karaoki would be an interesting product, indeed.

    In Karaoki, a scrolling message banner that is on all the time and includes at least the next singer would be brilliant. I run a high-speed rotation so the scrolling message in Karaoki was often visible for mere seconds at a time.

    #25946

    Ryan Sherr
    Keymaster

    Cool, yes, a scrolling ‘singer queue’ is something coming to LYRX soon, but is also something Alan has done considerable work for already for Karaoki. LYRX is a baby in comparison, so some of the ‘depth’ of functionality/settings are not on par with Karaoki – but what’s there works very well, and in a pretty modern way

    We could likely use a few more LYRX ‘testers’ as well as we continue to roll out new functions on that side. Shoot me an email if you’d be interested.

    #25947

    Luis
    Participant

    Please include Songbookdb in LYRX.

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